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  JWs and the Holocaust

  by Stealth in

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  2. friends

  the jws always like to highlight their persecution during the holocaust.

  while true, the chart below showing numbers of victims for jw was the lowest of all persecuted groups.

  even lower than spanish republicans.. im guessing there have been more victims due to the wt blood policy.

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  Half banana

  JWs are led to believe that they are at the centre of the universe—they are in fact non-entities.

  Very good information Stealth.
  
  
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  Lies from the watchtower

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.

  1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .

  "rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

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  Half banana

  A very good question Stephane and an excellent reply Bennyk.

  A big lie to demonstrate your point; from the 1950s or perhaps a bit later the slogan was that the generation which saw 1914 would also see the end of the "old system of things". The same lie for three generations during which time this carrot was dangled to the Watchtower donkeys who gave up their right to their own choice of life-style and served the Watchtower in mind word and deed. They never saw the promised reward, no because a Jehovah's Witness never does-- however the organisation became very rich by offering this false lure.

  I do find it almost impossible to find anything at all which the JW org has said which is actually true and useful to know. Virtually everything they say turns out to be false, a false hope. Whatever they say, preach or indicate will happen it is not worth believing or putting faith in since it is either plain wrong or it is sooner or later replaced with another dodgy belief which also has no practical value in knowing it.

  If you value freedom and sound reason: do not listen to Jehovah's Witnesses!

  Everything the JW org says is useless except for the purpose of HQ controlling the minds of their dumb followers.
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  The destruction of "Babylon the Great"

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i read the talk outline #49 for this summer's regional convention entitled "future events that will require courage-the destruction of babylon the great.".

  the jdubs live in a comic book world.

  babylon the great is all false religious organizations and she is destroyed by those she seeks to control.

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  What the Watchtower fears most is the loss of its money.

  It expresses its fears in masked Freudian proclamations at the summer conventions. (A recent example is the plea to stay loyal since so many are waking up and deserting.) They fear most of all to be exposed as a non-religion and have their rights to preach and make money withdrawn. So they use Biblical imagery to echo their worries.

  If they were "spiritual" this would not matter because the message would be held to be more important than the organisation but they are not, they are a business first, and they fear government authority which might tax them and make their religious racket non-viable.

  Let's hope the governments do step in, tax uncharitable charities and stop the abusive religions.
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  On and off again JW girlfriend

  by Crzysin in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  hello everyone, i have an on and off again ex who is a jw.

  each time her family gets involved and she's gone again.

  i'm debating biting the bullet and doing the work to become baptized, so we can follow through with our engagement.

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  Don't even think for a moment about getting dunked as a Jehovah's Witness for any reason.

  It is like throwing your life away, your freedom to choose what you want to do or say. You would most certainly regret it.

  If you married your girlfriend, even if she agreed without you being baptised it is almost inevitable that there would be repercussions. She might well decide she needs to devote all her time to the cult, she may insist that your offspring will not have a blood transfusion etc. It would be hell. There is a better life elswhere which has nothing to do with cult obligations.

  Only if you are mentally feeble, uneducated, friendless and desperately poor AND totally incompetent should you consider becoming a JW.
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  How Precious Is A Governing Body Mole(Double Agent, 5th Colunm) To Sabatoge The Watchtower Organization?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i would suppose that there are many at very sensitive operations at headquarters and around the world that are moles or double agents a 5th column if you will that are in but mentally out and full of hated for the governing body.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fifth_column.

  a fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favour of an enemy group or nation.

  the activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine.

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  Presious?!
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  The destruction of "Babylon the Great"

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i read the talk outline #49 for this summer's regional convention entitled "future events that will require courage-the destruction of babylon the great.".

  the jdubs live in a comic book world.

  babylon the great is all false religious organizations and she is destroyed by those she seeks to control.

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  Relax folks! The Bible is great for quotations because a lot of people used to hear it when read to them in Church back in the day but as far as prophecy goes, it’s complete rubbish!

  As for the label “Babylon the great”, admittedly I haven’t researched its origins but during the Victorian period it was a great slur used by Protestants against “Popery”, as if to affirm a superiority of post reformation Christianity. In Episcopalian and C of E circles, it is very passé not to say un-ecumenical to condemn Catholics by this term today.

  However in the early centuries of the Common Era it was well understood that the Christ cults took their doctrines from earlier religious themes and at the time under Roman rule there was not yet the partisan hatred of sects who held differing viewpoints. What mattered then was whether you were observed as an individual to be ”pious,” which meant that you respected and practiced devotions to the Gods. The attribution of piety presumably implied that you were a conscientious and reliable Roman citizen.

  It was likely that in the second century the apocalyptic visions of an individual in a state of mystical passion were written down and attributed to John who records a religious harlot having intercourse with the kings of the world. It represented the beginnings of a new sensitivity to doctrine and temple affairs being contaminated by political influence. Note by contrast how in Judaism the political and religious were recognised as two elements of the same thing and this ideal still obtains there today. The cults wanted independence and no interference from Rome. It was as if for the sake of religious purity, i.e. godliness, that the Jesus cults would want to plough their own furrows and not have Rome or anyone else butt in.

  Yet perhaps it was due to a foreboding of the inevitable Imperial Roman monopoly on religion which made the writer envision harlotry to describe what he thought was a flagrantly wrong relationship? Whatever the impulse, the writer represented a constituency which wanted a sense of doctrinal and religious sanctity, thinking that the invisible deity would rather have this kind of worship.

  Whatever the true origins of the expression of “Babylon the great” it represents religious anxieties of people eighteen hundred years ago which certainly have no meaning, prophetic or otherwise, for people today or relevance to real life in the present world.

  There is no such thing as false religion anymore than its opposite, true religion, they are both fictions of the Watchtower cult imagination. Neither is there a meaningful “Babylon the great” today , it cannot be destroyed since it doesn't exist.

  To keep them alive in religious discourse is just more stale sabre rattling for the purpose of mind control by the out dated, irrelevant governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They have been flogging this dead horse for more than a century!
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  Why people fall for scams, what happens after.

  by days of future passed in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i couldn't figure out where to put this, so...... after seeing the sell off the properties in england, kingdom hall grabs etc.

  i thought of the jw's that would passively go along with it.

  what will happen when they realize all of their donations, wills, loaning of money and property has simply been part of a scam?.

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  JWs are generally decent people but not very rigorous in their thinking.

  They seem to be unduly open to persuasion, or perhaps unduly undiscriminating about who they allow to persuade them.

  (People susceptible to scams)

  JWs are not familiar with critical examination of information, if they like the person who sells the idea--they will buy it. Everlasting life is yours if you slave for JW org for the rest of your life-- except you never, never get a reward, you just perpetuate the dream of a reward and direct money to the JW organisation.

  Your points are good DoFP, a JW is likely to be a subject of serial scams because he or she does not understand how to make a critical analysis of facts. With JWs, it goes this way: "If it's in the Bible, it's good enough for me".

  For goodness sake! The Bible was written by religious fanatics, high on emotion for the purpose of controlling . . . and the governing body of JWs use that coercive language of the Bible to manipulate their flock today.

  Wakey wakey Jehovah's Witnesses!
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  April 2018 Broadcast - normal weird stuff

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we hear a story regarding the life of thomas and emma.

  she states that "when thomas and i first learnt that i was pregnant, we were both really shocked" she doesn't explain why they were both really shocked but it seems an odd reaction unless they were using the safest contraception invented or hadn't been told about the bird and the bees.two experiences that touched the heart of gb sanderson were as follows -.

  in russia a jw was jailed for 6 months, the jailers did everything to try to undermine his faith, which included violence.

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  Lol Wake me!
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  Memorial Attendance ???

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi all, anybody any anecdotal or actual idea of how attendance numbers went this year ?.

  there are hints that it is well down, but is it ?

  and if it is, will the borg stop crowing about the attendance as they always have ?.

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  Funny thing was that by joining the Watchtower you were supposed to be able to defy death!

  It looks like JW deaths of true believers in the Western world will be the death of the JW org.
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  April 2018 Broadcast - normal weird stuff

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we hear a story regarding the life of thomas and emma.

  she states that "when thomas and i first learnt that i was pregnant, we were both really shocked" she doesn't explain why they were both really shocked but it seems an odd reaction unless they were using the safest contraception invented or hadn't been told about the bird and the bees.two experiences that touched the heart of gb sanderson were as follows -.

  in russia a jw was jailed for 6 months, the jailers did everything to try to undermine his faith, which included violence.

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  Half banana

  @ Millie, How else did JW president Joseph Frankly Ratherflawed live so high on the hog without close association to Alfred Heath and his family, the owners of Coca Cola? How did anyone run a sixteen cylinder Cadillac during the depression?

  HQ now being short of cash and who rarely stray from their roots in terms of methodology, perhaps have had a light bulb moment and with the drinks company historical connection in mind are using product placement as the way forward for their desperate cult?

  It is in my opinion that the remarkable and unexpected windfall of cash given to the Society in 1919 not only gave it the chance to continue since it was on the verge of financial collapse but thereby fostered the notion of 'divine appointment' in that year.

  In GB mentality as conceived by Russell: Watchtower financial success = divine blessing.

  Like Coca Cola, image and money is paramount, the product will sell as long as it is saccharine.